that is thebu true test of this war. >> rose: i think that's was john was talking about, john burns, what we leave behind, not what we came for.in >> the war has been a terriblehe disappointment in many ways. and you could-- you know, you could-- i suppose we have givenp liberty to the majority of the iraqi population. there's no doubt about that.e' >> rose: so noble in your judgment, failure, or noble success? >> it's a noble war. i i don't think it's ado catastrophic failure. i don't think it's a brilliant success. i mean, i happen ton, for example, prime minister malikiis watching the lamentable leadership of this man, watching his-- you know, the aptied tighthas grown with the eating. he has become a real dictator.. it's not exactly what those of d white house thought well of the war would have expected fromll this war. but wars have these kind of ends. they have these outcomes that people c't predict.om they can't tell what will happen. >> rose: john, what wouldt. you say to the argument that he made? >> well, yes, i canth see the nobility. we set aside the w.m.d. argument. ther